Pride

White Pride, Black Pride, Asian Pride, Latino Pride, etc. I’ve yet to hear a suitable explanation as to why some people are proud of being a certain ethnicity when their only achievement to meet the criteria was to be born. Shouldn’t we be proud of accomplishments instead of a game of genetic craps?

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  1. I’d say this is mainly an issue of minority groups asserting themselves in order that their voices may be heard. “White pride” doesn’t really fit in that group though, for obvious reasons.

  2. If you’re a minority I think it’s a response to typically begind ashamed of your culture, and can be healthy in a way. If you’re a majority, it’s racism. :/

  3. It’s just your same-old-same-old stupidity and ignorance at work. They want to demonstrate that they’re not ashamed to be whatever, but they don’t understand the difference between opposites and neutrality. Meh.

  4. It’s not just minorities. How about “I’m proud to be an American” or “Australian” or . . . . ? With the big exception of Immigrants, most people don’t choose their country, but are the result of the same genetic ‘craps’.

  5. Take Germany in the world cup as they( the german people) now seem to have reivigorated a sense of pride in themselves after the hosting it. They aren’t afraid to wave their nations flag anymore, which in my opinion is a good thing. So such celebrations do have their uses.

  6. What’s going on lately, Chris? You’ve started a strong leaning to strictly religious and sociological criticism. What happened to cat blogging?

  7. I’m proud to be an inhabitant of the local supercluster of galaxies. GO LOCAL SUPERCLUSTER – YEAH!!! WOOO!!!

  8. … It’s another example of how groups that are commonly seen as completely opposite are actually pretty much the same.

    … Campus “Lefties”, “Gangstas” or “Redneck” Alabama Good Ole’ Boys.

  9. I personally think it’s the sense of pride of being in a group. It’s why there’s VFW’s, American Legions, Elk’s lodges, Eagles logdes, Lions, Shriners, college greek fraternities.

    IMHO, it’s a way to be a part of something that’s larger then you, something you can point at and say “that’s me”

  10. I think it’s harmless as long as it’s a sort of hobby — wearing ethnic clothes and eating traditional foods and whatnot. It comes dangerously close to the Volkish movement in Germany in the twenties and thirties when it gets into “I’m better than you are” territory, and that holds true for minorities and majorities alike.

  11. Well, when you are of one of the ethnicities that has historically been treated as less than human, or has had all your significant accomplishments stolen, co-opted, or “discovered”, all by a certain European pursuasion, you have to do something to overcome the stigma of being treated as “less than”…nothing wrong with a little pride in your heritage and where you came from as a people…damn…how come some of y’all can’t get that? Read some history…

  12. i think the above commenters raised good points about the value of minority pride. the way i relate to this personally is via gay pride. growing up, one is made to think that if you’re gay there’s something wrong with you. encountering the opposite message (if you’re gay, there’s something RIGHT with you!) helps overcome some of that baggage.

    but such pride displays make more sense when there is a negative attitude to combat. few people in this country grow up thinking, “i’m a bad / inferior / irrelevant person because i’m white.”

    as far as nationalism goes, that’s just a quirk of human nature (probably stemming from the adaptiveness of tribe membership in our early days, i’d say), handily exploited by those in the power structure.

  13. few people in this country grow up thinking, “i’m a bad / inferior / irrelevant person because i’m white.”

    Not sound like an apologist for white hate groups (obviously, I have no sympathy for those folks at all), but you often hear similar things from these bigots. Statements if White pride are often couched in terms of persecution/reaction to white guilt/belief that white protestants are under seige and becoming a minority. Granted, it’s a lot harder to take these sorts of claims seriously, but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t sincerely believed and used as a justification by White supremecists.

  14. Gwenny nailed it. Ben Johnson was a Canadian when he won the 100m dash at the Olympics a few years ago, and a Jamaican-Canadian (reminding us all of his skin colour) when caught cheating. Charile Francis his coach, who fed him the drugs, was the same both before and after the scandal.

    Dominant cultures negate the race and ethnicity of the person’s national or ‘racial’ characteristics when they bring pride to that country, and make it an issue when they don’t. If they do mention it when there is a positive acheivement involved, as in Ben Johnson, Jamaican-Canadian, membership in the dominant culture is treated as a kind of redemptive attribute.

    American ideas of miscegenation interact with this, where one sixteenth ‘black’ blood made you black, and therefore tainted. Only ‘purity’ of blood back 4 generations was enough to make you white. Ask the parents of mixed-race kids about how this works: white parents have black kids, but black parents only have white kids.

    People who are given artificial attributions like race have every reason to assert the attribition as positives. Dominant races don’t need to, since they benefit from the cherry-picking system described above with reference to Ben Johnson.

  15. I meant, of course, ‘black parents only have black kids.’ And I would add, to clarify, that white parents are constantly reminded that the could have white kids if they weren’t with this man/woman. Many see how their children are ‘distinguished’ (an interesting word in this context) from others from others, and from their own experience as a member of a dominant group. This applies in Japan, too, where there are social prejudices against non-japanese marrying japanese.

  16. … My son is mixed race, and though everybody notices, even stares, he’s quite the star! (forgive a proud father here). On some level, perhaps, the “Old Guard” types might see him in a negative light but by and large, it’s quite a positive thing. (he doesn’t live in the West, just to clarify).

    … Pride is irrelevent. Should I ever see him wearing some manner of racial pride T-shirt or some such, he won’t be wearing it for very long (though it’s unlikely anyway – that’s a Western thing).

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