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Whenever I post about religion I can expect some email about it. Usually the emailer gives me a proctological sobriquet so this one stands out.

listen, I have logged onto your site religiously (forgive the pun!) for about 1 year now… I note that it seems like you have bit of a chip on your shoulder about religion, specifically Christianity… and because I have read hour BLOG for this long, I have discovered that you live in Seattle, WA (I live in Lynnwood, but work in Seattle area as a counselor)

…this might sound kinda weird or freaky but I’d like to meet you and discuss religion and see why you are so hostile… I mean from a political standpoint, it is beneficial for agnostics to have the Christian religion around (beneficially)…

ho hum

I havE all sorts of theories…

oh heck if interested, email me back

Chett

Thanks Chett but I have to clear a few things up. I’m kind of curious as to how you “discovered” I’m from Seattle when in my about section and in frequent posts I disclose that I’m from Boston. Also, I’m not an agnostic but an atheist and I’m not sure why it would be beneficial for either to have any religion around.

To clear up Chett’s concern that I have a chip on my shoulder about religion, specifically Christianity I will just say that I am a firm believer in the Bill of Rights and that everybody should have the right to worship whatever god they desire as long as it doesn’t infringe upon the rights of others to worship their own personal deities, or not worship any at all. The problem is that Christian groups in the U.S. are constantly trying to push their beliefs on others by putting the ten commandments (and always the christian version of the commandments, never the catholic or jewish commandments) in public buildings, teaching their pseudoscience in public schools, or sending me emails trying to figure out why I don’t believe in the invisible man in the sky who knows all yet does nothing.

Thanks Chett.

18 Comments

  1. hey man what is “proctological sobriquet”

    sorry if my email upset you… and I thought you lived in Seattle… Go SoX!!!!!

    uh, just kidding.

    take care

  2. “proctological sobriquet” ? Is that like a raillery mendacity voluble person?

    Don`t you just love Kurt Vonnegut.

  3. C,

    Well said.

    Chett: Look it up. It’s ok to not know something, but it’s not ok to be too lazy to look up something you need to know and can easily find. Also-you offer Chris the opportunity to meet with you, but in my experience, Christians, or any other religious zealots don’t want to actually “discuss” anything. They want to proselytize. There is a huge difference.

    I’m curious as to how you think having religion is beneficial to agnostics?

  4. I realise that there is some confusion brought about by the fact that there are multiple sets of commandments in the Old Testament, and that persons of the Jewish faith follow a larger set of commandments than their Christian brothers, but, uh, the ten that we are commonly most familiar with belong to all three groups; and, more to the point, Catholics are Christians. In fact, the Catholic Church, like it or not, was the precursor to all modern Christian sects, having stemmed from its original form as a Jewish cult.

  5. Nobody knows why Chris harshes out on Christianity so often. My guess is that he grew up in a christian household and at one point realized that it was all BS. He’s been lashing out ever since.

    That’s just a guess.

    Actually Christianity is one of the least harmful of the world’s religions. Indeed it may even have helped give rise to modern western civilization, with it’s exortations of hard work, cooperation, education, self-sacrifice, charity, etc. Not to be too charitable, however: With all the good things it brought, it’s always fought scientific progress and implies that it, and only it, has a monopoly on Ultimate Truths.

    And like most other religions it says that if you don’t buy it’s claims you’re going to hell.

    But most Christians I know are nice people. They’re well meaning, do a good job raising their kids, have productive jobs, obey the laws, and live happy, prosperous lives.

    So as much as I dislike Christianity for it’s inane beliefs, I feel that most of it’s followers are just going with the flow, sticking with what they were raised with, and use the church as a moral guide for themselves and their children.

    It’s Chris’ blog. He can put whatever he wants in it. If he wants to rail on religion, fine, but I’d like to see him being at least as critical of the other major religions of the world too.

  6. “If he wants to rail on religion, fine, but I’d like to see him being at least as critical of the other major religions of the world too.”

    Be careful what you wish for. 🙂 There’s plenty of criticism for everyone.

  7. “If he wants to rail on religion, fine, but I’d like to see him being at least as critical of the other major religions of the world too.”

    Bring on the talking fish!

    “In fact, the Catholic Church, like it or not, was the precursor to all modern Christian sects…”

    Uh…not exactly.

  8. Jeez, I kinda feel like a celebrity! Well, first of all, I am not a “zealot”, but can easily see why it may seem that since I had the gusto to start this dialogue. True, I feel that Christ is God and I pray to him daily… but I also recognize that some of the Bible has what could easily seen as contradictory and some seems kinda “fairy-tail-ish”… so, no, I’m not some blind zealot or whatever…

    one of my theories is this: if “Christians” (I being one) are more probable than not trying to please Christ and feel a conviction that God is always watching… then those people will tend to be good law-abiding, tax paying (etc) citizens…. not to say that everyone is perfect, but I am talking about the whole 50% rule: 50% or greater is pos; less is negative…

    if Christ truly is not god and atheists like Chris are ultimately right… then the joke is on the Christians… no God, all sorts of worry for nothing… BUT the world/society is better for it…

    I realize that the 10 commandments in libraries and things may make some uncomfortable… but I believe that the majority of things like crosses on mountaintops, and religious symbols in monuments and stuff like that is more about tradition OR it’s the individual Christian’s exercise of 1st amendment…

    I kind of see Chris’ pretty constant attack on Christianity in general (sorry to lump it all together like that) somewhat silly… I mean, he benefits greatly from the presence of Christianity, mainly due to the average Christian’s personal convictions of morality.

    and Chris, I really don’t buy the “pushing the faith on others” argument either… I don’t see that… if anything, I find that Christians in general are fairly accepting of other religions… and someone made the point that you’d have to admit that modern Christianity is probably the MOST tolerant of the major religions….

    whew.

    Chett

  9. oh, and about the Seattle, thing, I thought I had read that a long time ago… maybe he was VISITING Seattle or something, but I seriously thought he was…

    sorry, I guess I don’t have much of an excuse.

    Chett

  10. I am contantly at a loss to understand why it is so important for the people that knock on my door with their bible in hand to know what my religious beliefs are and/or to confirm that I have some. My fave response: I believe religion is a personal and private choice.

    I mean really, who do they think they are? Shouldn’t religion be more private?

  11. Being in a military community, mainly the base it self, I find relgion being forced on some of us. My children are called a bad influence because we don’t go to church. They act friendly to my face but turn around and say that I’m a good person. I have their kids come up to me and ask why we don’t go to church.
    When alot of these people find out we don’t “do relgion”, I find they aren’t so friendly to me. Oh they say “Hi” and what not but it seems something changed in their attitudes.
    The other day one of the neighborhood kids told me that if I didn’t pray I won’t get into heaven. Not the first time I’ve had this kid talk relgion to me.

  12. Chett, you wrote that “…[Chris] benefits greatly from the presence of Christianity, mainly due to the average Christian’s personal convictions of morality.”

    Do you think that the average Christian would not be a good person if they weren’t Christian? I think that the world and society is certainly better for morality, compassion and kindness but these aren’t exclusively Christian traits.

    There are many Christians who I would call good people and some who are bad. I wouldn’t be suprised if the same ratio of good and bad people can be found in any group, be they Christian, Muslim, Atheist or whatever.

    I think that Jesus was making a similar point when he told the parable of the good samaritan. 🙂

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