While the NRA Was on TV Talking About the Need for More Guns Some Guy Was Walking Up and Down a Road in Pennsylvania Shooting People

From Gawker:

The National Rifle Association today held its first press conference since last week’s deadly shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary, and the takeaway was clear: We need more guns.

“The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” said NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre.

He went on to call for an armed police officer to be stationed in “every single school” across America to prevent further mass shootings, as critics tried to point out that armed law enforcement officials might not be the panacea the NRA thinks it is.

But before they could finish their sentence, the counterargument made itself as news broke of a mass shooting event in Pennsylvania with multiple casualties, including state troopers.

According to local reports out of Blair County, at least four people were killed and five more were injured in a shooting spree near Altoona. The gunman is said to be among the dead, and at least two state troopers were hospitalized with non-life-threatening injuries.

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  1. Jeff Akston,

    “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,”

    The guy in Altoona was killed (i.e. stopped) by a cop (i.e. “a good guy with a gun”). How does this do anything except bolster the NRA’s argument?

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    • Mike K,

      I almost called you a dumbass, but then I thought about it, and you have a good point. How many more would he have killed if the cop hadn’t taken him out?

      Of course the NRA actually meant a good non-cop with a gun, but they can still bend it enough to use to their advantage.

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      • Sure, more people might have died if there weren’t armed police involved, but surely four people is too many. The NRA seems to think that these massacres are acceptable as long as they turn into shootouts before they get really bad. And shootouts between two civilians are even better, for some reason. I do not understand it.

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  2. Columbine had an armed officer…

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  3. Popdatshist,

    Jeff Akstron,

    “at least two state troopers were hospitalized with [thankfully] non-life-threatening injuries”
    That does nothing to bolster the NRA’s argument.

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  4. FlamingAtheist,

    So a talking point of some is ‘the second amendment is so we can protect ourselves from a tyrannical government!’ but is the answer to hire more police officers (aka government employees) with guns? Might want to check your logic gate, it is leaking.

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  5. McGee,

    Part of the shooting took place in a church.

    So, we can only conclude that Jesus wanted these people dead. Right, Newt? Right Hucks?

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  6. Bacopa,

    We do not need to turn our schools into prisons or bank vaults. We do not need into fear. Refuse to be Terrorized.

    “Don’t blame us, the school should have had guards!” is what the NRA said. Hell no, we need to form connections and build communities such that there could never need to be guards.

    And the last thing we need is volunteer guards as Barbwire said above. Do we really want Zimmerman types at our schools?

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  7. Chip,

    As soon as someone explains how more laws about guns prevents situations like in this article I will gladly help to ‘do something’ about guns.

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    • Mike,

      Excellent. If the shooter had not been able to access guns he wouldn’t have been able to shoot anyone. Thanks for your help, Chip.

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      • Chip,

        Because the guy in this article was already a convicted Felon and his possession of firearms in the first place was illegal. He was already breaking the law by having the guns, then broke the law by setting his house on fire, then continued to break the law by shooting people.

        So I ask again, how are more gun laws going to prevent situations like this one from happening again?

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  8. KingTaco,

    I’m of the opinion an increased focus on mental health care would do more to curb these rampages than getting rid of guns or giving more people guns. Don’t get me wrong, I’m very anti-gun, but I don’t think there’s any way to put that genie back in it’s bottle.

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    • I’m with you, but most people who are shot are not shot by people on rampages, and few people who are mentally ill are violent anyway. Improved mental health care would probably do more to help protect people with mental illness from violence than the other way around. I’d also like to point out that most people who successfully commit suicide use a gun, just because I haven’t seen a lot of people talking about that fact. If the lesson people learn from this kind of shooting is that we need to do something about mental health care, I can’t argue with that, but I don’t think it alone will go very far as long as guns are so readily available.

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      • WordyGrrl,

        Yup, these shootings are the result of lack of mental health care in this country. The sane thing would be to require owners of guns to pass a mental health exam before they’re allowed to purchase a gun. But that’d be expensive, and if similar legislation were passed (and you know it’d be grandfathered so current owners won’t have to comply), the “best” we’d get is that people refrain from getting mental health checkups because that might impair their access to guns.

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  9. Dave,

    We will need a lot of money to pay for all these armed guards . I think a big fat tax on arms and ammo is in order.

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    • Chip,

      Interesting idea. I read somewhere that the King decided to apply a similar tax scheme to the colonies which ultimately lead to the American Civil War. The King’s tax plan didn’t work out so well for the Kingdom at the end, did it?

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  10. Stephen,

    How about not selling Assault Rifles and extended mags. to people in supermarkets? Shopping list: potatoes, rasberry jam, butter, milk, loaf of bread, eggs, tomatoes, toilet roll, sugar, AR-15 assault Rifle, ground pepper, peppers, tomatoes, shower gel, flour, rice, crate of beer, 30-Bullet Magazine.. ehh 6 of them, mushrooms, bran cereal, courgettes and toothpaste. You might as well be giving people grenades and hoping nothing goes wrong

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  11. outeast,

    According to the National Center for Education Statistics, there were 98,817 public schools during the 2009-2010 school year.

    There are approx. 800,000 law enforcement personnel in the U.S., including both State and Federal employees.

    Obviously, full time cover would require more than one officer per school). Even two would be conservative, but let’s go tith that. That’s either a 25 per cent increase in law enforcement personnel, 25 per cent of existing police pulled off the streets, or something in between. Either way… WTF?

    US policing costs in the region of 100 billion per year, incidentally. Worth factoring in when proposing action of this magnitude.

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    • McGee,

      The right’s solution to funding would be to get rid of teachers’ unions, of course, and pay teachers what they deserve – $6 an hour.

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  12. Kiwi Jono,

    In NZ, we have very strict gun control and I’m so glad we do.

    Yes there has been the odd case of an accidental shooting (hunting accident). Also we have had a couple of people go crazy with a riffle but the armed defenders squad soon sorted that out.
    Even the police are not normally armed here. They carry a firearm only if really necessary.
    Makes me feel safer anyway. Even if you do come up against some bad guys there is a much greater chanced of being injured / hurt than killed.

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  13. Dale,

    There is an armed police officer at my kids’ high school here in Greensboro, NC. Everytime I go into the school — for one reason or another — I see the armed police officer. In the past three years, I have gone into my child’s high school about 50 times. Each time, I see the armed police officer.

    I see him in his office, sitting in his chair talking with a student sent to him for breaking some kind of possession law, truancy rule or some other reason. This armed police officer is never — NEVER — standing near the entrance of the school. He is NEVER outside the school except for when he is on the way to his office. I have never seen him walking the hallways.

    There was once a shooting at my child’s high school (before my child was there). A student came onto campus, starting waving around a pistol, shot two principals and then killed himself.

    This shows three things: 1.) Sometimes the shooter is a student and not likely to be a suspected killer; 2.) Teachers, principals, counselors, etc., will always rush to the protection of students. They are heroic; and, 3.) Having an armed police officer does nothing more than give a false sence of security. I believe, more often than not, they will be useless in stopping violence. By the time the officer reached the student at my child’s high school, two people were shot (they survived) and one child was dead. The officer never pulled his gun.

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  14. alan,

    The NRA is never going to be happy until EVERYONE is armed all the time, and then they’ll probably bitch about people not carrying enough weapons.

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