The last line really got me.
“Hope you’re enjoying your war profits”
Well said.
WWJS “Who Would Jesus Shoot”. thanks dalia
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Why, yes, they are enjoying their war profits very much, thank you!
A cynic might wonder if giving recruitment propaganda to Al Qaida/the Taliban/the Middle Eastern radical group of your choice isn’t, in the company’s view, a feature rather than a bug. Do they affiliate with those fundamentalists who are trying to bring on the ‘End Times’, or just want to ensure their future profits? I wonder….
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“You just spawned a 1000 anti-American propaganda videos.”
And congrats to you as well, Rachel. By broadcasting this with ABC you’ve brought this to the attention of WAY more people than if you said nothing at all, thus spawning a few hundred thousand more anti-America videos…and probably a few deaths. Way to earn that self-righteous paycheck. Good job.
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I’m sure they noticed before Rachel Maddow got a hold of the story, Max. Interesting mindset, there, where the doing of something idiotic is actually less significant than somebody pointing out its idiocy.
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Oh, sweetheart. Didn’t say the story was less significant. Was merely pointing out that the ramifications of a media engine – where people do what they want to do rather than what they ought to do – is so easily overlooked these days. I suppose it would have to be with so many news networks out there.
But you and mrclam continue answering questions that were never asked. I always enjoy a good self-righteous puppet show. You just brighten up my day, tulip!
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If you’re so against freedom of information/free speech,why don’t you move to a banana republic, then? You are an enemy of democracy and also (it must be said) a loser.
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I’d like to preface this by saying I’m an atheist and I get tired of people advertising their religious beliefs to all the world.
Having said that, I’m not sure what the big deal is. I’m so fucking sick and tired of having to tip toe around Muslim radicals so as not to offend them.
They offend me. They offend all women. They offend all believers and non believers of any religion that’s not their own. They belong to a cult of the worst kind.
Do you really think some religious verses on a rifle scope will send some Muslim to the breaking point? Are you people that fucking ignorant and naive?
It’s similar and almost more ridiculous than the Gitmo argument that it is an Al Qaeda recruitment tool. Really?
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The issue isn’t offending the radicals (they come pre-offended), but the possibility of offending ordinary Muslims (whose help and sympathies we’d need in places like Afghanistan if we ever want to see the backside of the place). Making Iraqi Defense Forces unwittingly party to blasphemy will not win the proverbial “hearts and minds.”
Between the Christian radicals and the Muslim radicals the world is a scary place.
And holding a bunch of prisoners for almost a decade, without charges, and with implications of torture, is handing America’s enemies a propaganda victory on a covered silver platter.
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Drew, I thought the same thing at first – what is the big deal? A company prints some stuff on some weapons that were sold to the military?
This really changed my mind though: http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2010/01/why_those_christian_gunsights.php#more
Its really just a symptom of the aggressive christian zealotry that is pervasive in the military
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You mean it hasn’t been a Christian religious war against Muslims this whole time? Could have fooled me.
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I’m wondering:
A) Which president was in office when this contract was made?
B) Has Trijicon been inscribing them with these verses the whole time?
C) (and if so) did that president know about these Bible verses?
I’m also curious why that company would do that at all. Certainly that would turn away customers of many other religions, not just Muslims (and likely many Atheists as well).
Then again, if it was a Bush/Cheney contract, it wouldn’t surprise me if the inscriptions were originally being done by request.
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Consult the Book of Armaments!
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This is great!
But they need the quote from Pulp Fiction
EZ25:17
Ezekiel 25:17: The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the Valley of Darkness; for he is truly his brother’s keeper, and the finder of lost children. And, I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers! And, you will know my name is The Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee!
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Ugh. More misinformation. Trijicon has been doing this FOR YEARS. It’s not restricted to scopes made for US DoD contract. You can buy one on the civilian market and find a reference on it, too.
There is not a separation of church and state, as the group who brought this up is suggesting. At least, not in the Constitution. The Constitution merely says that Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Which is good for atheists as well as devout Catholics, as well as Muslims, Buddhists, you name it. Nowhere does it say that a private business that makes a product cannot incorporate the beliefs of the owners, nor does anyone force you to buy that product.
If the government makes a contract that says, “We want to buy 1 million riflescopes, 4-power, water-resistant, with bullet-drop-compensating reticles, and absolutely no references to religious texts” then Trijicon would have a problem. They’d need to retool their line, or not bid the contract. Since the contract doesn’t have those stipulations, it’s perfectly legal.
Further, these things are painted on the side in readable text, like it’s some bible class. You have to get a bible and go look up the reference. If a soldier wanted to proselytize, how many think his first choice of tool would be the scope of his rifle?
Seriously, isn’t there a more important issue out there for you to try to wrap your head around? If an extremist Muslim kills a soldier, he won’t need this as an excuse. If a US-friendly Muslim decides that this is the final straw and changes his allegiance and fights for “the enemy” (whoever that is in your mind), do you really think that there wouldn’t have been some other gripe to take the place of this, if this weren’t there? Riiiiight.
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Angry Sam nailed it. Shall we read a verse? “O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.”
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“Are we going to stop using money because the bills have ‘In God We Trust’ on them?”…so says Mr Pentagon mouth piece in response to ABC busting the illegal behavior of a federal contractor.
So…. if this Christian Nation trusted a god, they wouldn’t require/demand/need a military nor any other type of weapon either.
As our forefather’s are noted to have said:
“Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise” – James Madison
“Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.” – Thomas Jefferson
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Nathan, the pookie-kins says: …”these things are painted on the side in readable text….”
Nope, not painted on the side. Carved into the metal along side the serial number.
As for someone killing our soldiers: they would not be able to if our soldiers weren’t there in the first place. In ‘Murkistanical speak: self-defense is only a concept for people living under the Chinese polyester Red, White and Blue!
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@ Jeff
Mistake – it was meant to say NOT painted… but to clarify your point just a bit, they’re not carved, either. They’re relief molded (they stand up). My point was that they are not biblical texts printed on, but references to the same.
As for the not being there – that’s not a piece of this “outrage” and I won’t argue the point with you. I believe strongly that we should not have set foot in Iraq, and that we should have focused on the original mission of getting Al-Quaeda leaders in Afghanistan and then left. Again, though, this is a red herring for the issue of biblical verse references on US-wielded weapons.
Finally, what’s a pookie-kins? :o)
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I want so war profits…
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What a waste. Bible verses on gun scopes is not the solution. Everyone knows that you got to put the verses on BULLETS so Jesus will make sure they hit their targets!
Unless you (1) know a whole lot of bible verses or (2) recognize the abbreviations AND go look them up, these weapons are randomly marked. It’s rather like the problem with old-style vinyl records having “satanic lyrics” when played backwards: One just needed to avoid playing them backwards to be safe from Ol’ Scratch’s clutches. Rather than getting feverish over silly shit like this, might we think about WHO the weapons are pointed at, WHY they are pointed, and WHETHER THAT’S A GOOD IDEA? Rather cold comfort to be killed by a rifle with an inoffensive ‘scope, if you ask me. Eye on the ball, eye on the ball.
The last line really got me.
“Hope you’re enjoying your war profits”
Well said.
WWJS “Who Would Jesus Shoot”. thanks dalia
Why, yes, they are enjoying their war profits very much, thank you!
A cynic might wonder if giving recruitment propaganda to Al Qaida/the Taliban/the Middle Eastern radical group of your choice isn’t, in the company’s view, a feature rather than a bug. Do they affiliate with those fundamentalists who are trying to bring on the ‘End Times’, or just want to ensure their future profits? I wonder….
“You just spawned a 1000 anti-American propaganda videos.”
And congrats to you as well, Rachel. By broadcasting this with ABC you’ve brought this to the attention of WAY more people than if you said nothing at all, thus spawning a few hundred thousand more anti-America videos…and probably a few deaths.
Way to earn that self-righteous paycheck. Good job.
I’m sure they noticed before Rachel Maddow got a hold of the story, Max. Interesting mindset, there, where the doing of something idiotic is actually less significant than somebody pointing out its idiocy.
Oh, sweetheart. Didn’t say the story was less significant. Was merely pointing out that the ramifications of a media engine – where people do what they want to do rather than what they ought to do – is so easily overlooked these days. I suppose it would have to be with so many news networks out there.
But you and mrclam continue answering questions that were never asked. I always enjoy a good self-righteous puppet show. You just brighten up my day, tulip!
If you’re so against freedom of information/free speech,why don’t you move to a banana republic, then? You are an enemy of democracy and also (it must be said) a loser.
I’d like to preface this by saying I’m an atheist and I get tired of people advertising their religious beliefs to all the world.
Having said that, I’m not sure what the big deal is. I’m so fucking sick and tired of having to tip toe around Muslim radicals so as not to offend them.
They offend me. They offend all women. They offend all believers and non believers of any religion that’s not their own. They belong to a cult of the worst kind.
Do you really think some religious verses on a rifle scope will send some Muslim to the breaking point? Are you people that fucking ignorant and naive?
It’s similar and almost more ridiculous than the Gitmo argument that it is an Al Qaeda recruitment tool. Really?
The issue isn’t offending the radicals (they come pre-offended), but the possibility of offending ordinary Muslims (whose help and sympathies we’d need in places like Afghanistan if we ever want to see the backside of the place). Making Iraqi Defense Forces unwittingly party to blasphemy will not win the proverbial “hearts and minds.”
Between the Christian radicals and the Muslim radicals the world is a scary place.
And holding a bunch of prisoners for almost a decade, without charges, and with implications of torture, is handing America’s enemies a propaganda victory on a covered silver platter.
Drew, I thought the same thing at first – what is the big deal? A company prints some stuff on some weapons that were sold to the military?
This really changed my mind though: http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2010/01/why_those_christian_gunsights.php#more
Its really just a symptom of the aggressive christian zealotry that is pervasive in the military
You mean it hasn’t been a Christian religious war against Muslims this whole time? Could have fooled me.
I’m wondering:
A) Which president was in office when this contract was made?
B) Has Trijicon been inscribing them with these verses the whole time?
C) (and if so) did that president know about these Bible verses?
I’m also curious why that company would do that at all. Certainly that would turn away customers of many other religions, not just Muslims (and likely many Atheists as well).
Then again, if it was a Bush/Cheney contract, it wouldn’t surprise me if the inscriptions were originally being done by request.
Consult the Book of Armaments!
This is great!
But they need the quote from Pulp Fiction
EZ25:17
Ezekiel 25:17: The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the Valley of Darkness; for he is truly his brother’s keeper, and the finder of lost children. And, I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers! And, you will know my name is The Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee!
Ugh. More misinformation. Trijicon has been doing this FOR YEARS. It’s not restricted to scopes made for US DoD contract. You can buy one on the civilian market and find a reference on it, too.
There is not a separation of church and state, as the group who brought this up is suggesting. At least, not in the Constitution. The Constitution merely says that Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Which is good for atheists as well as devout Catholics, as well as Muslims, Buddhists, you name it. Nowhere does it say that a private business that makes a product cannot incorporate the beliefs of the owners, nor does anyone force you to buy that product.
If the government makes a contract that says, “We want to buy 1 million riflescopes, 4-power, water-resistant, with bullet-drop-compensating reticles, and absolutely no references to religious texts” then Trijicon would have a problem. They’d need to retool their line, or not bid the contract. Since the contract doesn’t have those stipulations, it’s perfectly legal.
Further, these things are painted on the side in readable text, like it’s some bible class. You have to get a bible and go look up the reference. If a soldier wanted to proselytize, how many think his first choice of tool would be the scope of his rifle?
Seriously, isn’t there a more important issue out there for you to try to wrap your head around? If an extremist Muslim kills a soldier, he won’t need this as an excuse. If a US-friendly Muslim decides that this is the final straw and changes his allegiance and fights for “the enemy” (whoever that is in your mind), do you really think that there wouldn’t have been some other gripe to take the place of this, if this weren’t there? Riiiiight.
Angry Sam nailed it. Shall we read a verse? “O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.”
“Are we going to stop using money because the bills have ‘In God We Trust’ on them?”…so says Mr Pentagon mouth piece in response to ABC busting the illegal behavior of a federal contractor.
So…. if this Christian Nation trusted a god, they wouldn’t require/demand/need a military nor any other type of weapon either.
As our forefather’s are noted to have said:
“Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise” – James Madison
“Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.” – Thomas Jefferson
Nathan, the pookie-kins says: …”these things are painted on the side in readable text….”
Nope, not painted on the side. Carved into the metal along side the serial number.
As for someone killing our soldiers: they would not be able to if our soldiers weren’t there in the first place. In ‘Murkistanical speak: self-defense is only a concept for people living under the Chinese polyester Red, White and Blue!
@ Jeff
Mistake – it was meant to say NOT painted… but to clarify your point just a bit, they’re not carved, either. They’re relief molded (they stand up). My point was that they are not biblical texts printed on, but references to the same.
As for the not being there – that’s not a piece of this “outrage” and I won’t argue the point with you. I believe strongly that we should not have set foot in Iraq, and that we should have focused on the original mission of getting Al-Quaeda leaders in Afghanistan and then left. Again, though, this is a red herring for the issue of biblical verse references on US-wielded weapons.
Finally, what’s a pookie-kins? :o)
I want so war profits…
What a waste. Bible verses on gun scopes is not the solution. Everyone knows that you got to put the verses on BULLETS so Jesus will make sure they hit their targets!
They are now removing all verse references.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/01/21/rifles.bibles/index.html
Unless you (1) know a whole lot of bible verses or (2) recognize the abbreviations AND go look them up, these weapons are randomly marked. It’s rather like the problem with old-style vinyl records having “satanic lyrics” when played backwards: One just needed to avoid playing them backwards to be safe from Ol’ Scratch’s clutches. Rather than getting feverish over silly shit like this, might we think about WHO the weapons are pointed at, WHY they are pointed, and WHETHER THAT’S A GOOD IDEA? Rather cold comfort to be killed by a rifle with an inoffensive ‘scope, if you ask me. Eye on the ball, eye on the ball.