Question of the Night

From Reddit:

Why aren’t the religious right fighting tooth and nail for the Public Option? I mean, they go ape shit all over protecting the life of a fetus; why not the life of a full grown human?

Actually, I’ve always felt that pro-lifers never really cared so much about the fetus but more about controlling the sex lives and bodies of women. People seem to forget that religion is set up not to help people, but to control people.

15 Comments

  1. What you said. Also if they loved human life so much, they would be anti death penalty and anti-war. Of course they’re not, they don’t really give a f**k about human life.

  2. Some of them do. It’s not worth the biscuit for me to track the citations down just for a comment here, but a number of “religious right” folks do take the tack that Jesus would have voted for the “Public option”. Mostly Catholics from what I have read.

  3. Definitely some creepy people have used to religion as a means of control.

    However, that does not make a good argument for government health care. (“We’re sorry. Our records indicate that your one year old son does does not play an important enough role in our social structure, and does not qualify for emergency treatment. Thank you, have a nice day!”)

  4. Total Agreement.
    Does anybody but a fool think that the government will do a worse job than the low CPU/high RAM dysfunctional creatures(aka doctors) in charge of health care ?

    “America’s health care system is neither healthy, caring, nor a system.”
    Walter Cronkite

  5. js, you’re being willfully obtuse. No one except Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin has proposed denying treatment on any such basis.

  6. Any government’s goal is more control over people (religion has just been doing it longer). The people need to be mindful that the government doesn’t become too powerful. A publicly-funded option would be great if it weren’t compulsory, but that’s the way it’s looking right now. Saying you must carry insurance is just as anti-liberty as saying you cannot carry insurance.

  7. i don’t actually think it’s primarily about controlling women and sex.

    i think it’s that pro-lifers think fetuses are super innocent babies, but people who have been accused of crimes or haven’t saved enough money to buy health care are evil sinners who ought to be punished.

    though actually, i think a lot of conservatives would change their tune about health care reform if they actually understood the stats on how many people literally die every year because of lack of decent insurance.

  8. by the way, Nathan, you’ve been misinformed about the proposed plans for reform. the “mandate”–forcing people to have insurance–is a completely separate issue from the “public option”–allowing them to buy it directly from the government if they choose.

    consider also that by collecting taxes, we already “force” people to have the equivalent of crime insurance, fire insurance, foreign invasion insurance, road-building insurance, etc. other developed countries have simply included medical care among the basic responsibilities of a government.

  9. ”We’re sorry. Our records indicate that your one year old son does does not play an important enough role in our social structure, and does not qualify for emergency treatment. Thank you, have a nice day.”

    Anybody who is STILL using this asinine argument are so fcuking obtuse that you can’t look beyond your borders. How many times do I have to say get the REAL story about countries with a publically funded health system.

    Jesus H Christ, this steams my broccoli. EVERYONE in my country gets the same care whether you’re 1 minute old, or 1 minute away from dying. AND we don’t have church run hospitals that make medical decisions based on morals.

    Pack of fcuking hypocrites.

  10. le_sacre, if it’s not about controlling women’s sex lives, then why are most anti’s also against sex education and birth control? Both have been proven to prevent the need for abortions.

  11. le_sacre,
    As I see it, the public option will eventually become a tax for something I don’t have a choice about. You’re right that now it’s an option, but like so many other governmental options, I see it as a foot-in-the-door to something less “choicy” later on.

    Back on topic, though, it does seem strange to me that some ultra-right-wing politician hasn’t yet come up with an option that includes a torpedo like, “guaranteeing fetal health” as a thinly disguised way of making abortion illegal.

  12. “Any government’s goal is more control over people (religion has just been doing it longer).”

    Look into the history of government – historically (and even as recently as WWII-era Japan), religion and rule have been the same thing.

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