Tweets of Hate: The Crazy Right Twitters About the Assassination of Dr Tiller

From Carnal Nation:

A small sample of the hatred expressed on Twitter after the assassination of Dr Tiller:

* Crap, I always forgot hashtags. I’m happy Tiller’s dead. – Jennifer Waite, Selah, Washington
* UPDATE… Doctor George Tiller was aborted today in his 204th trimester – aren’t paybacks a bitch – Punch
* oh HAPPY DAY! Tiller the baby killer is DEAD! – Samantha Pelch
* George Tiller the baby killer was shot dead this morning. God bless the gunmen who hopefully won’t be caught. – readnwatchchris, Creedmor. NC
* was George Tiller the baby killers brain scrambled the way he scrambled full term fetuses.. one can only hope – Brad S
* Infamous baby killer George Tiller gunned down at (irony) church. Why do I not feel sorry for him? Have fun at Judgment Day. – James Fiddler

25 Comments

  1. Actually, and shamefully, I understand the killers’ side. If you knew a guy down your street was killing toddlers, and you called the cops, but it turned out to be legal. And lets say 30 children were killed there every day – wouldn’t you respect and honor the person who finally had the guts to take him out? That is the position of the pro-lifers, and if you truly thought it was a child, I think your perspective would be different. It isn’t all that dichotomous. Bonhoeffer, who was ultimately executed for attempting to assassinate Hitler, called it “arresting the wheel” in his theology, that to save many you must do the unthinkable.
    And to be honest, late term abortions are pretty crazy – what about a 6 inch journey down a cervix makes it suddenly a valuable life? What about oxygen entering lungs instead of directly into the bloodstream makes the child worth protecting? I have to admit, I am highly conflicted on this.

  2. Well, I simply refuse to address anyone as Mr. or Ms. -/, so I’ll just say that you make a good point, but you fall into the trap all “pro-lifers” (irony much?) fall into. Which is, you conveniently neglect the fact that until that fetus travels those six fabulous inches, it is completely dependant upon it’s mother for survival. Does the mother matter? Not to the right-wing extremists who dominate the discussion. Whether a child is carried to term is the choice of the parents, specifically the mother. If she doesn’t want it, and we all know adoption is grossly undervalued as an alternative, then she shouldn’t be forced to conceive it.

  3. @-I
    Okay, I am going to attempt to address your train of thought. First, late term abortions aren’t performed because the mother woke up one day in the late trimester and decided, “meh, I changed my mind.” Partial birth( a term coined by anti-choice law makers) is performed when the mother’s life is in grave danger or the fetus has extreme mental and developmental defects, such as spina bifida, hydrocephalus, anencephaly(no brain), etc.. These are children that would have died after delivery or some are already dead in the womb.
    Secondly,if you’re going to pull out a Hitler card, wouldn’t it be perfectly acceptable to say that Hitler should have been aborted, thus rendering your argument pointless.

    I’m not even sure where to begin on killing toddlers and it’s legal. I’ll allow someone else to tackle that.

  4. I realized how twisted the thinking of many anti-abortion protesters is in about 1970. My father was an OB/GYN who was active in abortion rights. I heard a woman tell him that the only time she believed that an abortion could be acceptable would be if my dad’s mother had had one. As a kid hearing this said to my father was very disturbing.

  5. This makes me sick.

    Anyone trying to make the argument for pro-lifers killing doctors who perform abortions and isn’t struck by the inherent hypocrisy in that statement is a dangerous idiot.

  6. I am sorry – I didn’t mean to actually compare an abortion performing doctor with Hitler, but it appears that is exactly what I did (facepalm). I was just trying to give context to the quote. Also, I hope you don’t think that I think killing toddlers is legal – but a toddler and a fetus are equatable lives to a pro-lifer.
    Also, as far as dependency on the mother, I am not sure that argument flies either. An infant is dependent on others for its survival for at least months after birth. Also, there are teenage twins I happen to know who were born extremely premature (at a stage that is still abortable in most states), so small that I have a photo of them both fitting neatly in their fathers palm. I suppose an exception doesn’t prove a rule, but the age of viability is completely arbitrary. It is reasonable to say that even early second semester is viable, as was in their case.
    I am aware that late term abortions are currently only used in cases of life-threatening situations. When it honestly comes down to choosing between two lives, the one capable of deciding must decide, and that is the mother. However, late term abortions were possible and common not so many years ago.
    I spent a lot of time thinking about this, actually. I hope I didn’t really make you sick Benjamin. But since this issue deals with someone murdering innocent babies in one hand, or murdering doctors trying to the best for women in the other, I think we have to be willing to face the horrors.

  7. Sorry for the repost, but I want to add: Thanks to those who point out my fallacies. Whichever side you take, something horrible is happening here. I think it is important to be in the right on this one, and I have certainly reevaluated my position on this in the past.
    Also, there are whole other messes with this. In my state, if you are underage you can get an abortion without parental consent. Its noble in theory: if a father is raping his daughter he ought to have no say in the treatment of her. However, this policy sends raped girls back home to their rapists by simply brushing it under the rug. If this is to benefit women, why are they sent back? Like I said, its messy and I have to admit I am somewhat conflicted.

  8. I just have to say, I understand and appreciate what you’re trying to explain, -I. I’m glad there are people like you around, to be honest. Those who recognize and try to confront this hugely gray subject, rejecting the false dichotomy that bred and fed the killer of Dr. Tiller’s murderer and his ilk. This is not us versus them, and it should never be. As an atheist, I must admit I share those conflicts you’ve brought up. I find it difficult to take a strong stance on this one.

    Just a message of solidarity, I suppose.

  9. The tweets are disgusting from disgusting people. If only god did exist he should punish such people. Guess it’s up to us mortals.

  10. But wait, what’s this “shamefully” stuff, -l? There’s nothing to be ashamed about by admitting that you’re conflicted on the abortion issue. Just the opposite — anyone who hasn’t strongly considered the points you’ve made hasn’t really thought too deeply about the issue, and only an idealogue would claim it’s cut and dry, either way — morally, ethically, or legally.

  11. My expression of disgust wasn’t directed at you -/ but at the person who committed the (alleged – at this stage) murder, at people who have committed similar murders and violence for similar, I assume, reasons and also to those who have expressed joy at a this persons murder.

    To me this has nothing to do with the abortion debate. In fact I would say that a “vigorous debate,” one “without reducing those with differing views to caricature,” to quote Obama, is as much a victim here as the human being who was killed.

    It has nothing to do with the debate over abortion and everything to do with vigilantism.

  12. This kind of reaction almost makes me more nauseous than the murder itself. How can people think like that? And not even try to hide it?

    -/, I see what you’re saying, but I agree with what others here have said. First of all, it’s a personal choice, one people you don’t even know shouldn’t meddle in. Second, “late term abortions” are almost always because they’re necessary, health-wise. Third, it’s just not alright to take the law into your own hands (unless maybe if you live in a society where there’s no kind of justice at all, which still is not the case for the US!)

  13. Chris, you’ve got this tagged/categorized as “religion,” when it should be under “terrorism,” in my opinion. And -/, I’m not buying your opinion at all. There is no alternative way of seeing this other than the murder of a doctor doing his job. You and others like you think that by elevating/redefining this homicide to a discussion on whether women should have a say in what happens to their bodies is sick. This isn’t about pro- or anti-choice. This is about a doctor being murdered by an extremist piece of garbage. There is no alternate point of view and there is no mind-meld/getting inside his head bullshit. And a toddler and a fetus ARE NOT the same. Pick up a damn book on developmental biology and educate yourself.

  14. Well, -/, some commenter on AM put it best:

    Late term, third trimester abortions – such as the reviled “partial-birth” abortions – are almost exclusively done do protect the life and health of the mother. In Kansas, where Dr. Tiller practiced, the law requires either the woman’s life to be in danger or for there to be “substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function” to the woman for a third trimester abortion. The fact that, only two months ago, Dr. Tiller had been acquitted of ALL charges of improperly following this law means that he was murdered simply for providing needed health care and saving the lives and well-being of women.

    I don’t know what anti-abortionists imagine when they think of the process? A cold hearted young woman going to the doctor in her 8th month of pregnancy and saying “Oh, hey, I don’t want a damn kid, cut this thing out of my stomach and kill it!”

    It’s in any case a tragic procedure that is the result of a long, depressing train of thought and an absolute last resort.

  15. Ugh.

    Can’t we give all the unwanted pregnancy babies to the blind rabid “black and white” pro-lifers to adopt?

    There is too much red tape surrounding adoption in this country and the birth mother should not be able to take a kid back after 5 years.

    /rambling thoughts on mildly related topics

  16. Seth, you have a major point there and the one I always make when pro-lifers start jamming their point of view down my throat. I say “Fine – no abortion YOU take that child in and raise it to be a healthy, loving contributing member of society. If you are not willing to do that then shut up”

    Not nice but clearly makes the point.

    What I find interesting is in the Jewish culture/religion (some parts anyway) abortion is accepted because the MOTHER is valued more than the potential child.

    This doctor apparently was performing life-saving procedures. The person who murdered him completely missed that perhaps he had SAVED more lives than he had ended. But remember – pro-lifers are frequently anti-woman. It comes down to controlling progeny and nothing more. Women are seen as vessels for carrying babies – the woman NEVER counts – just what pops out of her. That is the greatest sin of the religious nuts.

    Julia S. – OUT!

    soapbox done – thank you!

  17. Right Wing Fundamentalist Christian Terrorists: America has them.

    I wish W was still in office, he knew how to deal with “Terrists”…

  18. Killing a doctor will not end abortions. Killing all the doctors that perform abortions will not end abortions. Making abortion illegal again will not end abortions. It will, however, make them more dangerous for the women who get them.

  19. Trying to deal with this argument logically, as a christian I would not be able to condone the actions of either party. They both took life and the 10 commandments state, “Thou shalt NOT kill”. Happily I am an atheist and don’t believe in god’s dilemma on judgement day on deciding if both of these people burn in hell.

    If we were all to follow christian doctrine then all abortions, all guns, all weapons, etc would be banned! Because thou shalt NOT kill!! However it doesn’t work that way, because god is apparently not the one who judges anymore!

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